"Where Are The Weapons Of Mass Destruction?"

It's Memorial Day in the United States today, the day when families and friends gather to have barbecues and policymakers gather to "honor our men and women in uniform." I prefer the former--veggie burgers, please.

With that in mind, I want to share an alternative take on the day with you put together by Def Jux artists The Perceptionists. You can listen to their track, "Memorial Day," here (when you're done, I suggest you check out RJD2 as well).

I like this verse in particular:

Feelin like the ones that sent me here are the psychotics
but if I say that out loud -- I'm "unpatriotic"
but would Donald Rumsfeld back me up with the chrome? Would Tom Ridge fight or would he stay secure back home? and would Condoleeza Rice cover grenades in a fox hole?
I'm startin to believe what I was told is not so

The Perceptionists: what they lack in subtlety, they more than make up for in honesty ;)  Here's the chorus:

Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
We been lookin' for months and we ain't found nothin'
Please Mr. President, tell us something
We knew from the beginning that your ass was bluffing!

Support U.S. troops: bring them back.  I'm sure their sons and daughters and mothers and lovers won't mind--nor most civilians they encounter around the world.

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bbq'ed corn really floats my

bbq'ed corn really floats my boat :)
I love your holiday themed posts, looking forward to what you come up with for Father's Day...
Mr Lif is another great DefJux artist, check out his "Home of the Brave" for some true (un)patriotic flavor

I say, Saurav, there's this

I say, Saurav, there's this crazy revisionist history tendency on the left to make Saddam Hussein seem as if he was the greatest thing to come across the Middle East since Saladin, and I find it rather annoying. I've never understood why this is the case, other than reflexive opposition to whatever it is that the United States and its allies may do, or genuine, naive idiocy, like the leftists who support Castro and supported Pol Pot.

What everyone forgets is that all through the '90's, while we were sanctioning Iraq and maintaining a no-fly zone there, everybody in the world thought that Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction. He boasted about it openly to his own people and in Arabic language media. He fooled the intelligence services of the entire world into thinking that he had them. His calls for a united Muslim opposition to the United States of America, combined with the genuine belief that possessed weapons of mass destruction that would be able to rain hell upon the United States and its allies, made it a necessity that the United States attack him, especially since he was not only incooperative with the U.N. inspections, but actively thwarting it.

In retrospect, yes, he didn't have WMD, but that was not the sole reason to go to war. My opposition to the war comes from the fact that it's being prosecuted unjustly and stupidly. There are better things that we can do on Memorial Day than to resurrect "Bush Lied! Where's my vegan pumpkin bread?" :)


point well taken

point well taken

but what does it take to make

but what does it take to make this dialogue more constructive?
yes, bush lied and no WMD.
yes, saddam was pretty damn scummy.
beyond all that, nobody really even remembers that Iraq still exists, and even the troops stationed out there are semi-forgotten

vlc--I was hoping no one

vlc--I was hoping no one would notice that I can only post effectively when commerce and the government have provided me with inspiration in the form of a holiday. There goes that. :)

Just wait until I get a calendar and start posting on the basis of holidays like Sukkot .

dx--welcome. Now on to the argument :)

I wrote to highlight an anti-war song that draws attention to a number of important themes in the lead-up to the war: the tactics of the government officials that created this war; the human rights abuses inherent in war; and the disconnect between the top levels of government and ordinary people. The song highlights that insanity, that selfishness, and the resulting despair and anger from the vantage point of someone who could see themselves fighting in the war. It's not a treatise; it's a hip hop song that crystallizes a perspective that you may or may not like but is perfectly valid from my standpoint. I'll grant you that it overemphasizes the WMD issue to make the point about being lied to, put in a situation in which one is endangered, and easily led to do horrible things, but that's was just a trope in my mind for the overall thrust of the song.

You argue that everyone thought that there were WMDs--which I did as well--but then concede that there weren't, and then state that this wasn't the only reason to go to war anyway. This is typical argument I here that doesn't address that the whole process of building up to war was built on lies, innuendo (remember 9-11=Al Qaeda=Iraq? where's your refutation of that gross misrepresentation which many still trot out?), disinformation, a lot of indoctrination, an opportunistic use of political capital resulting from the attacks on 9-11-2001, and a poor sense of priorities and valuation of human life--U.S. and Iraqi and all the others that were hit by the butterfly effect from this war.

Most of all, you leave out the sheer inanity of a government trying to deal with a problem of violent non-state actors with a political agenda (i.e. terrorism properly understood) by invading a state that has little to no connection to that problem--ideologically, religiously, or otherwise. This made no sense then, and it makes less sense in hindsight.

Someone recently pointed out--it may have been Richard Clarke or Madeleine Albright, but I can't remember--yes, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a problem, but it was about number 8 or 9, not #1. And that's from an American security standpoint, not a human rights one! To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you commit stupidity with the dogmatically ideological government officials you have, not the intelligent ones you wish you had.

There are better things that we can do on Memorial Day than to resurrect “Bush Lied!

How about presenting a strong and tangible statement of resistance to the war in the guise of "Bush Lied!"? ;)

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